Friday, June 24, 2005

This Morning: Comments from PFFA

This is crazy. I’ve just posted “This Morning” in Poetry Free-for-all, an online poetry workshop known for its harsh but frank critics. (Especially the regulars and moderators)

Took me a lot of courage to post one of my old poems there. (Actually not just my old poems lah.) I will update this post a few days later.

I really love that site.

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Updated on 27 June 2005

This Morning

Looking at you
from the corner
of my eyes,
I wonder what
you are dreaming.
You look so peaceful
like a baby, but
a baby that will never
bear my surname.
I am afraid
I won’t be here
when you open
your eyes.
As I tiptoe
out of the room,
I wonder
what my wife is doing now.

Okay, I don’t think there are any new comments coming in. The following are some of the selected few. (You can view the rest at PFFA) :)

by John Boddie,

“This reads like prose - a series of declarative sentences broken into arbitrarily short lines. The short lines are at odds with the more liesurely phrasing. I suppose that it's supposed to be a portrait of a man and a young mistress. The significance of the man's leaving the room quietly is obscure. There's very little here for the reader to work with.”

by Lukethedrifter,

“You're telling how you feel but not really making me feel anything. I read and wonder what I've gained by reading this. What makes this a unique thought beyond all the others? I can't even really picture the baby sleeping. How old is it? How is it's sleep? so on and so on. Why are you wondering what your wife is doing if you're going to leave?”

and lastly,

by sefton,

“I liked a number of elements; the spareness, the movement through the scene, and some of the line breaks. There are a couple of things to address, and a couple of ways to go with this.

One is to flesh out the poem, using each of the lines above essentially as base for a longer line. And perhaps another theme/element can be added as you flesh out; it takes away from the soft kick at the end, but more about the life/nature/situation of the narrator or the girl (or boy) in question, and how that relates to their affair, might be interesting.

Another is to tighten what you have even further. Mostly, I see a few places where the line breaks seem too clever by half:

Looking at you
from the corner
of my eyes,

I liked these, for example, though a small part of me feels like L3 is a casualty of the break that sets off L2 and makes it interesting.

I wonder what
you are dreaming.

This is one that seems too clever by half. On the page, the second line here seems interesting in relation to what surrounds it, but then again, the first line here doesn't say much at all, and is nearly repeated later in the poem. This might be a case where adding some specifics (what is he wondering?) might help.

like a baby, but
a baby that will never
bear my surname.

I think these are also ineffective breaks--it's really one idea and feels like it should sit on one line, two at the most.

As I tiptoe
out of the room,
I wonder
what my wife is doing now.

And here, I don't see the reason L1 and L2 are separate lines. L3 is set off interestingly, as it can refer to what precedes or follows it, but then again the break at wonder/what seems awkward--maybe reframing as an active question (what is my wife doing now?) might help.

Anyway, I did like this, and I hope these comments help.

Thanks for posting.

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You can really learn a lot from these guys. :)

11 comments:

panda said...

where's the comments??!!

sorry lah u noe i blur :P

hmmm.... wonder wat will i get if i submit mine..... *heart pounding*

Alson Teo said...

Not yet lah. Must wait for a couple more days. :)

Anonymous said...

I was thinking of joining PFFA but do i have the time to go around?
sgforums, a webdesigner forum, my own webpages (OMG!)and my working hours...
DP, do u think i should join PFFA?i have been there several times, their comments can be real harsh if your poems are bad, but can only improve that way.
Do u use ur same nick there?

Alson Teo said...

Hello anonymous,

Yes, their comments can be real harsh, but they are honest comments. (Well most of them) If you want to improve, that is the place for you.

Do visit “Blurbs of Wisdom” if you have the time. Most importantly, read their “Hot & Sexy Posting Guidelines.” Read them several times until you are really sure you understand every single one of them.

For a start, it is good to introduce yourself in “Newbie Stretching Room.”

PFFA is not for everyone. Think twice before posting your poems there and good luck. :)

And no, I use my real name there.

panda said...

okie i've registered, but ... i hate to read guidelines!!!!!! :(

the newbie stretching room is for introduction or for test post of poems? :P

backside itchy wanna commit suicide there leh :P
btw can post chinese poems there?

dsnake1 said...

woah! they're pretty harsh...

Alson Teo said...

These are considered mild liao loh. You should have seen the others.

Gilbert Koh said...

You should not be afraid of harsh comments. I've had people like Paul Tan, Cyril Wong and Felix Cheong go through stacks of my poetry and I gain the most when they criticise heavily. My good fortune, really.

I did a quick rewrite of your poem. Of course, it's your poem and you won't necessarily agree with all or any of my revisions, but you might get some useful ideas -

Child Asleep

I look at you
from the corner
of my eye,
and wonder what
you're dreaming.
You're at peace,
but you will never
bear my name.
I am afraid
I won’t be here
when you open
your eyes.
As I tiptoe
out of the room,
I wonder
where my wife is,
what she's doing now.

Alson Teo said...

Thanks for the rewrite Gilbert.

Now instead of a mistress, we now have an illegitimate child. Cool.

Actually I love harsh comments, it helps me to see things that I’ve missed out. Well you have Paul Tan, Cyril Wong and Felix Cheong to advise you and I have you! I am really fortunate too. Heh.

Gilbert Koh said...

Well, you can take it one step further. Illegitimate child AND mistress, heheh.

Anonymous said...

PFFA is really great when it comes to metrics and form, I would disregard most of their comments regarding the essence of any write though, they repeatedly 'miss the boat' and demonstrate a rather huge deficiency when it comes to anything abstract (and I mean very basic things like metaphors). John brings a good point that your poem reads like prose, and I agree as well, a small strutural matter though that can be resolved by starting the poem with 'As I tiptoe out of the room' followed by all your thoughts you expressed. I am surprised John was not more constructive in his comment given the apparent mandate of his forum. The forum appears to be inwardly organic and in my opinion another boorish gazebo full of assertions.